Its hard to take this too seriously. The first tranche of Dreamliners will replace five Boeing 747s, although this doesn’t mean they will all slot straight into the jumbo’s footprints. ), so if the 787 can do all of that..... re the comments regarding perth europe direct and the issues of alternatives.... what about Darwin europe direct??? Qantas to Operate 787 Dreamliner Between Sydney and Santiago Qantas has announced that its service between Sydney and Santiago is the next route to be upgraded to a Boeing 787-9 … The CBR runways were upgraded to handle 747s when Clinton visited with Air Force 1. The new services will be operated by Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner … Come on, Qantas! Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Q3 update. Qantas Boeing 787-9 routes: Where will Qantas fly its new Dreamliners? r u looking at seat width at bum or shoulder ? With increasing capacity to Japan, it could be that most of the growth in pax is in Y. I'll book a 10 hour overnight flight in PE. Qantas' first regular 787 services are a year away, but the airline is already announcing the initial routes so it can increase its proposition in deeply significant markets (and also begin preparations while avoiding possible media leaks). No one wants to transit Sydney. For much of most flights to BNE, CNS would be closer then SYD. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. That would definitely fill and be complemented by a daily EK flight. Do Perth! Qantas 787-9 Routes: Melbourne (MEL) - (LAX) Los Angeles (15 December 2017) Perth (PER) - (LHR) London (March 2018) Qantas 787-9 Details: Fleet Size: 0 Is Qantas really going to compete with that? Here are the best watches of the year: should you care? I definitely will look forward to resume using QF to fly Europe because since they stop use Singapore I flying with someone else via Asia. Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). This is only enhanced by the Dreamliners boasting greater range than the Boeing 747s. Hard to compete with that. Last Update: 27 November 2020 ** With the ongoing Covid-19 crisis, many routes … Suggest Qantas may pull out of MNL all together. If Avalon is unavailable I believe Canberra can now accept 747s and then there is of course Sydney.For BNE, I don't know if Archerfield is an alternate but Sydney is only 800Km away and is the obvious alternate.Serveral airports around LAX can accept large planes.An A380 had to land at Ontario airport recently: https://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-and-virgin-land-at-littleused-airport-due-to-la-fog-20150206-137rwr.htmlThis report shows the sort of thinking that goes into alternates:  https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/1999/aair/aair199902817.aspx. Yet there are serious talks about additional QF flights to DXB which will then fly onto destinations possibly in Germany as EK are now capped at the number of flights into and out of that country.... essentially the QF flights from DXB to the cities in Germany would become defacto EK routes, but equally being run at a profit? For example, EK flies DXB to FRA 3 x daily, DXB to ROM; 3 x daily, even Hamburg gets 2 x daily flights. "I'd suggest the Qantas graphic is purely for example of range! The rest will probably be used for domestic routes. Do Perth instead of Dubai! Maintenance stops of 5 days or greater and all maintenance stops at outside bases. IMHO it does not make much sense to keep both. Log in below. If you have not received the activation email, simply enter your email address below, then click 'Submit'. Qantas Boeing 787 Dreamliner routes The airline is capitalising on Perth as a hub between the East Coast of Australia and Europe. They can do that daily with 1 aircraft (as can SYD-HND if the timings change to avoid the 16 hour ground stay in Tokyo). Currently we have to go to Sydney to fly to manila. “The actual network the aircraft will end up operating will depend on what we think the market considerations will be at the time.”. Cool. Also flying from Perth means two hops to major European cities for all Australians and for lucky inhabitant of Perth even one by Qantas instead of catching someone else – now only Melbournians and Sydneysiders have such luxury. Or what about India then on to mainland Europe? QF's A330-300s have about the same number of Y seats as the 747s, so the big difference is about half the J seats and no PE. Follow Australian Business Traveller on Twitter: we're @AusBT. Qantas should also order at least 10 787-10s in either a 42 business, 56 Premium Economy and 214-223 economy for a total of 312 or a layout of 30 Business, 56 premium, 238 economy for a … but haven't typed it in.....unless that could be Doha? Just travelled to Europe and return on a QF business ticket but Perth-Dubai has to be on Emirates and the Emirates A380 business just doesn't stack up against Qantas. Sydney-Johannesburg (14hrs) has to be a candidate for upgraded equipment. so Melbourne/Brisbane - DFW is great. Secondly, as busines travellers, you should know that frequency is important. The ports QF would want to go to west of Germany would require a stop somewhere. Sydney+1 and Vancouver+1. Though I agree with your sentiments – it is unlikely to happen. The service and food on our flight this week on Emirates Dubai-Perth would rate as very close to economy. Also all those routes should be fine for A350 or 777-8X/777-9X and even doable for currently available 777-300ER. That plan sounds good to save changing DOM (T3/T4)  to INT (T1) terminals on opposite sides of the airport via bus service. I think you'll find that's actually a Qantas graphic. If QF pulls the 747 from Japan and replaces it with an aircraft without PE, I'll book with another carrier. Currently aircraft sits at LAX for around 17.5 hours. Talking point: have you given up on airport WiFi? In order to get a 3rd port, or more then 3000 seats/week for each side, the agreement needs to change. I won't book the same flight in Y. (Melbourne-Los … Perth to Europe can be done, but only just. The SYD-JNB/SCL routes require ETOPS 330. Login now. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. Routes flown by the QANTAS Boeing 787-9 fleet in the past 30 days including diverted, maintenance, positioning and charter flights. Then, flights from Europe tracking back to Perth stop in … Already have an ET account? maybe now Ontario airport around 46 miles east of LAX is not owned by LAX, the likes of Jetstar should look at flying there ? Or even MEL-DXB? Alternatives matter towards to the end of the journey when you're low on fuel.If the destination airport is shrouded in fog you then need to go to your alternate.In the MEL - LAX case there are plenty, but when it comes to PER there aren't too many airports with in a 500Km radius that can accept a plane the size of a 787 or 777. Comments have been made elsewhere about the lack of alternate airports for flights from Europe to Perth, therefore increasing the range requirement. Little old Perth has no hope of offering anything extra. & what about armrest width ? ... Because BNE-LAX-BNE also requires 2 aircraft to run daily. Qantas flight to Europe from Perth DO NOT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE for several reasons. Come on, Qantas! Qantas Fleet Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Details and Pictures.On current fleet, Qantas operates 8 brand new wide-body long-haul aircraft Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner. For BNE, couldn't OOL or CNS be used as alternates instead of heading to SYD? The curious case of the Qantas 787 … They may get around to restructing thier Board or even changing the CEO. It also has a red spot on Addis Ababa.. can't see the QF demand for there either.I'd suggest the Qantas graphic is purely for example of range! The 747 Business service is just not at world standards. QF needs to get beyond ETOPS 180 certification from CASA and CASA may also need to approve the 787 type as the US and Europe did. Once the first eight Dreamliners have been delivered, Qantas will have three more than the five jumbo jets being put out to pasture. 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You’ll find the 787-9’s premium economy seats (Qantas’ best) on these routes: Los Angeles (LAX) – Brisbane (BNE) Los Angeles (LAX) – Melbourne (MEL) on QF 96 San Francisco (SFO) – Melbourne … Did I mention that most of those airlines offer excellent premium cabins and have a lower cost base? Also Qantas could do, BNE/YVR & MEL/YVR nonstop to compete with AC. HND uses 2 due to the aircraft sitting at HND all day. Flight status, tracking, and historical data for Qantas 787 (QF787/QFA787) including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times. There are definitely less alternative airports on MEL-LAX route. It is far from value for money. When will Qantas reopen its international lounges? So in the end it could be 2-3 B747 get replaced by the 787-9s through increased A330 international flying. This is the whole point that I like to make – with hub in Dubai Qantas offers NOTHING, just service to Emirates as travel agent and ticket reseller. Additionally, Perth has more than 10 airlines which offer 1 stop services to most major European cities. So if use Perth as the hub they can comfortably fly 2 to London (or one to London and another one say to Rome, Zurich or Moscow, even on roster), one to Frankfurt and one to Paris. The Qantas Dreamliner is an exciting new addition to the Qantas fleet. It appears that the bottom of the image where that statement was has been cropped on the version here. I'm assuming you are taking some of the michael in suggesting international flights orginate in Hobart? The 787 can really only reach Istanbul and Athens from Perth.Even the 777-8x would struggle to reach Eastern Europe. I'd think they would start with SYD-HKG. This website uses cookies to enable certain functions. 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IMHO Perth as transit point to Europe makes perfect sense, especially considering new business class on trans-continental flights. BNE-LAX-JFK requires 2. why would BNE/LAX/JFK require anymore aircraft than BNE/LAX/BNE now ? SYD/MNL is an extremely low yield route. QF used to stopover in Bombay on the way to London from Melbourne/Sydney years ago (might even have been QF9) that would fill 2 markets. Firstl, the flight, even with a 787-9 is not as efficient as a single stop becuase of the additional fuel required to carry the addional fuel. the big recession, we have to have. Qantas is operating the new Perth-London service with the 787-9 Dreamliner. Even so, Joyce is keenly aware of the challenges in trying to see two years into the future through a cloudy crystal ball. Its all good news now but the airline industry is all about up and down. The Qantas website has the … interact with our community. Find out more about the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Watch a time-lapse video of the Dreamliner being assembled at the Boeing factory in Seattle Opens external site in a new window Seat maps If you don't like EK, and don't want to back track to SYD/MEL for the QF LHR flights, then get QR, CX or MH (for oneworld) or one of the other E/SE Asian airlines. “The routes we have in mind today will probably be very different to the routes we end up having this aircraft on” says the Qantas chief, who cut his teeth in the local airline industry planning routes and schedules at Qantas and Ansett. Qantas's biggest problem is it too Sydney centric. David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis. It goes against the whole strategy of using Dubai. Perth needs to reintroduce QANTAS planes - can't wait until 2017-Do it now! Didn’t receive an activation email? Unless QF orders more than 8 787s there won't be many new routes. Since the early 1970s this 24-hour trek was the exclusive domain of the Qantas Boeing 747, with the jumbo supplanted by the A380 superjumbo … Qantas could perhaps do a BNE-LAX-JFK route to replace B744s as their inauguration of the B789 jet. PE could be 8 across 2-4-2 & Y could be 2-4-3. Gradually they will add more B789s to the fleet, but the main priority of the 8 B789 orders is to replace the unrefitted B744s, so they will be used for those routes only. I doubt they will utilise all 50 options, but they will take in 20-35 aircraft for international routes. All 787-8 unless stated. Price is most important as we head into next recession(we had to have). The retiming of QF9/10 last year lowered the combined SYD/MEL-DXB-LHR requirement for 6 aircraft to 5. There is a recession coming plus a whole stack more Asian airline competition. Australia’s flag carrier Qantas is to open routes from Brisbane to Chicago and San Francisco before the end of April 2020. I don't think so. How about LAX-BNE? MEL/DFW makes sense as most people heading for USA east coast, would love to avoid LAX. Eight of the next-generation jets will initially join Qantas’ international fleet, with four to be delivered in the 2017-2018 financial year and four more in the successive 12 months. How about Hobart - Darwin -Dubai  and Adelaide  to Dubai connecting to Europe flights. Migrate the 744 pilots used to the 1930's middle stick to the 789, and then keep the Airbus pilots used to their playstation controls on the A359LR. There are plenty lonely enough airports that can be approached from ocean. N'T book the same flight in Y 2-4-2 & Y could be Doha its Dreamliners. Require anymore aircraft than BNE/LAX/BNE now with another carrier LHR, uses 2 due to network! 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