The question is, I cannot understand in Y-DNA Terms how two different groups BOTH coming from M2 are not separated but I read two different groups BOTH coming from M35 separated as if they were not Genetic brothers? That is not what i intend to imply. Your theory of europeanising somalis is very dangerous and is the continuity of theories that europeanised the Ancien Egypte, europeanising the ethiopians (these theories started already a bit after the defeat of adoua, fruit of west frustration). Thank you for posting this, it is apreciated. It is present in Egyptian men and Somali men at (relatively for this haplogroup) “higher” levels. In your British eurocentric mind although just about every people group on the planet has “straight” hair, it is all “Euro-type” hair to you. As well in Europe, but predominantly southern Europe (eg, Sicily/Italy, Spaniards, & someone has mentioned Serbs? I did find M123, but that TOO comes from the Ethiopic M35* i like your theorie luaguages is an important tool to trace any population.like any other luanguages we have some influence from outside but they are minimal.oromo afar and somali are close.arabe have little influence in the somali except for religious terms.no race is pure but ancient egyptian is in our blood.somali culture have egyptian influence. Also Egyptians speak of having to change the route to Punt because Nubia was no longer occupied by them. M1a also show a distribution from the same NE African point that M1 and M78 radiate from. In fact, among Somali populations, the nomad is the most homogenous. Overall historical immgration is probably in the ‘less than 10%’ area for the entire region. Our mtdna is quite varied but mainly haplogroup M and various other haplogroups such as pre-hv etc but no Bantu mtdna. when they read the porportion of their ancestry that comes from black Africans. Berbers, Egyptians, Somali are all E3b just how Senegal, Burkina Faso, Angola and Benin are E3a. Tehcnically yes, East Africans are a little closer genetically to Europeans and Arabs than West coast Africans, and it’s all overall DNA, not just Y chr or mt DNA. This is what I meant when i kept saying “I am unsure exactly what you are trying to say about this population.”. In this sense to me it mean ‘sub saharan African’, but I know to a lot of Americans it means anyone with any visisble African ancestry. V12 is most closely related to m78, it has no close relationship ancestry wise to the v13 carrying European population. Most groups thought to be descendants of people from the Area of Egypt – Particular Cushitic people and even some People in Darfur that are almost exclusively V32 and M78 are pretty pure and have little to no admixture. If you have proven your family is majority African then you should return to whatever lands they come from. Although I think we were origanally from egypt, and some of us have eurasian blood. For example in Cushitic languages, much like ancient Egyptian there is a prevalence of the morpheme Ka as an affix. Also I’m an INTJ, it’s just how we sound when we have to keep repeating ourselves. South Asians can range from jet black to ivory in colour. I was exasperated by the time I got t o 40! …i’ve left 2 further somalian comments on the berber page this blog, having trouble navigating Its not surprising (to me) that genetic studies found: I could further delve into linguistic history but I think that suffices. M78(v12) highest in SOUTHERN Egyptians. We are discussing other BLACK ethnic groups because you need to accept the fact that BLACK skin doesn't = African or a lack or indication of admixture. Your heart and loyalty is with them and black Americans don't need anymore afrocentrics or negropeans among us causing divison. I had found her on FB couple years ago. Being north or west does not make your skin light. I’m rethinking Afrasian origins after checking through the PAA noun list yesterday. Now, to the Albanian guy, don’t worry. but the M-81 is identified as a specific genetic marker for BERBERS! Look up the word ‘Afrocentric’. Wallahi some of the rapists knew her and were asking for her. Admixture via the Arab expansion with Islam: In this study: They have a physical Affinity with Africans yet a Biological and genetic Affinity that is purely Asian, their culture is Asian, and their language most truly ties them with other Asians. (agree? Its makes for great clarification when you look at Haplogroup E and the TWO large population expansions. Igbo, lineage and racial/population affinity can be a whole different kettle of fish. There was a genetic input from West Asia when the neolithic arrived in Africa, adn this expanding wave of farmers is probably when E3b1 got established by a founder effect. I dnt believe somaliz are mixed because we all know wat mixed people look alike..black and white make like Obama type..light skinned with African features..not somali type…obama doesnt look somali..and the interesting thing is wen any somali intermarries other race.the baby doesnt look anything like mixed..i have seen alot of mixed somali and white or asian and i wouldnt know if they are mixed until i read their biography…that also puts question mark on wether we r really black…some africans dnt see us african (black)..i had a friend who had black nigerian father and white german mother and even thou he had light skin and was mixed..he still claimed to be more african than i..and called me white even thou im dark skined with curly hair…I see myself as Somali…and nothing else…and we r not mixed with arabs..because then we would look like normal Ethiopians…which we dont..ethiopians are mostly light skinned and short..while majority of somali are tall and darker skin with non-african features.. mathilda37 : – “you (somalis) used to be a part of the Ethiopian population once”. We have ALWAYS looked the way we do, the amount of mixing is minimal. THATS CRAP! Egypt 4-20, Ethiopia 25%, Sudan 23%, Kenya 11%, Morocco7%”. ‘Do you know if the tested sample is predominantly from one geographic propinquity, in other words how spatially distributed were the people in terms of their clan affiliation?’. EDIT: As some people sometimes claim, Somalis are not mixed with Arabs. It’s preposterous to claim part Caucasoid ancestry because of 40% M1 haplogroup which is believed to have come to the horn 40,000 years ago. It is clear that the Egyptians were indicating that Puntites and Egyptians were of the same racial stock. Hey guys, I am a boy aged 16 and living in Copenhagen Denmark. But mathilda , If you look at some of the african american kids who are heavly mixed they still tend to have their african traits. Can you not see that Somalis DO NOT HAVE “Euro-type” hair? The majority of historical sources agree that Punt was in eastern Africa as the Ancient Egyptians describe it as being the source of many exotic products, such as aromatic resins, African blackwood, ebony, ivory etc. My question is how many european decents did the experts test to see if they had any african roots? Igbo.. never use Wikipedia as a reference.. M78 is associated with Afro Asiatic, not M35. Most entered between the Neolithic and Paleoliothic. Defense Secy. 1998) — that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. The area given is southern Egypt running into the North of Sudan or central Egypt for the E3b1 mutation. The Earliest and most Diverse was the post Out of African Ethiopian Migration that spread M35 lineages and Afro-Asiatic. Another study by Brace et al. they(metchoids) migrated in Niger on the new transmission of genes between populations of the north after the expulsion from iberu-maurisien who refused those new old know people “Afro-Asiatic and E1b1b1 {E3b1 = M35}may have dispersed amongst the ~same populations from the same point of origin,~ making E-M35 a useful tool for speculation into the origins of Afro-Asiatic”, This is M35 NOT M78, they (Christopher Ehret) notes the “Same Population” that is why I called it Ethiopic. the expansion seems to have come from nubia/Egypt orginally, Below are the HOA natives that preserved their tongue & genetic integrity: Otherwise we would not have shared much features etc small eyes or tall. It’s vitally important to their ‘Egyptians are all 100% African’ casue to point out African gropups can occassionally have caucasian hair and light skin- unfortunately the only oines that do are the ones with Eurasian ancestry in them- so they find themselves denying East Africans have Eurasian ancestry as a way round that. this could then mean that somalis only contain 15-20% non african or eurasian and the caucasian influence could only effect hair texture as facial features would be nilotic . I believe, the explorers, the traders from other countries also have contributed a lot to the gen-pull apart from the inter marriage between different clan and race in the country. I am unable to find information that says M215 or M35 is North African or even North East African (Unless Ethiopia is the locatized as N.E. Almost all E1b1b Berbers are M81 how much is euasian do somalis have ? So that bit confuses me about how we lost our african traits and to add to that my cousins are half somali half german and they have very pale white skin with straight dark brown hair and green eyes. #. It is just a skin tone, sis. All that said I am still European, so please don’t take this Somalid thing too serious its just DNA, it doesn’t change the fact that I am European! I am the guardian of a little girl whose father is Somali from Ethiopia. They are all a ‘mixed’ bunch. No, the people from Egypt moved into East Africa a long time after that. If we have mix ancestry how come we dont have mixed race feathers and skin tone ? Then you got trading Arabs in historical times settling in Somalia too, mostly on the coast.” Ok, let me tell you this Mathilda. M78 is still a Male Marker of the African Continent. Thanks Humbug.. but I will admit I to coming across as snotty at times, repeating the same stuff endlessly gets on my nerves now and then. And no, racially the Andamanese don’t fit into Nigeria at all, this is a hangover of old ‘skin colour as race’ thinking. these sub-saharan africans do you mean bantu, or nilotic people. V. Almost 13,000-15,000 YEARS LATER —- A man carrying the Ethiopian E3b* that was STILL in Egypt had a mutation called M81 or E3b1b, these guys moved west. Founder effect?”. You must not forget that the oldest bones in the world are found in east africa (AFAR). I am african and not mixed. If you lived in Ethiopia you will witness these. Hey, I am really confused by this maternal euroasian DNA found in Somalis. yes all east africa was considered abysinia, somalis being nomads have spread looking for better land for there livestock, they are a warrior people and fought many battles to claim the eastern part of ethiopia ogaden, the northeastern part of kenya and djibouiti. our neighborhood was raided. Punt was definitely in Somalia. You have an Article: “The Jarawa, Onge and Sentinelese of the Andaman islands.”. Trump’s hold on his supporters is supernatural. My definition has more to do with biological relationships than skin tone, because some all Eurasian people can have dark skin. And yet, every publishing geneticist observes they have about 40% Eurasian ancestry. Did you see how the southern Egyptians and people in areas like Luxor are darker and have a different phenotype than than people in Alexandria? But anyway my gran, from mothers side was from yemen. and since most of east africans look a like alot they all could be related. Somalis and upper Egyptians have very similar DNA profiles but no-one debates that upper Egyptians are have a lot of eurasian ancestry in them. if we have Asian admixture it would probably be higher. Saying that E3b moved into North East Africa is wrong- it remained there during the backmigration and appears to have been at the area where the new Eur-African population and old African population met and mixed, instead of the Eurasians wiping the Africans out, which is what happened across the rest of north Africa. Somalis are about half made up of these very ancient Egyptian people. The project is open to all Somali from all regions (Somalia, Djibouti, Ethiopia, … According to the bible the book of Esther the Persian king Arterxes was ruling Ethiopia with all other 127 countries. Although I'm T that fact that I got 100% Somali isn't surprising since my family have lived in gacan libaax mountain for hundreds of years. The publishing geneticists (barring Kittles) don’t seem to have an issue with this. I didn't write that. Black Americans history doesn't begin and end with Africans. within a few years we will hear a whole new theorie, thats the way it goes. That this pisses you off just too bad. Saying 18 million Somalis are 40% Eurasian is extremely misleading. Humanity starts in East Africa, so why taking one way position stating that has been introduced or that somalis have euroasian genes, and not the opposite. 1. So from a Ancestry tracing point they are sort of 50/50%? So while it shows admixture, I am not sure where from and when it came. As a Somali man who has lived in the Middle East for many years, I would rather be associated genetically with any race but Arabs or Jews. So what then do we do with the “Black people” that are currently in, and have always been IN Egypt? Someone posted a thread like a week ago of dirty Oromos claiming Dir are Oromo and the lies were quickly put to rest. This is a very interesting post. Once again, skin tone is not an indication of more or less admixture. Somalis are about half made up of these very ancient Egyptian people. E3b1 is E-M35* – Seen in its Highest Frequencies in Ethiopia; Amhara, Oromo, Woylata= All over 10%. Same can be said with Tutsis who migrated even further and mixed with hutus in Rwanda it make more sense than saying Somalis are pure race that to me is to be in denial. Nice try. 4 – Genetics – Southern Egyptians have more of the Egyptian marker M78* and V12, also even V22 which links over to East Africa. In the article announcing this first information, Cruciani et al. Matilda why do you not believe that it has gone the other way. Do you think Matilda can teach you the essence of how it is to be somali? The hypernym of the term Somali from a … When those samples are separated and run in a single analysis as in Fig. Africa has never been black and it never will be! It’s not based on the mt or Y DNA. 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